Mark vs. Luke
Name: Fran
Reference: Mk 7:13
Quote: "Every plant that my Father in heaven did not plant will be pulled up"
Date: Wednesday, November 02, 2005
Time: 07:13:07 PM
The Son of God shows his authority over oral tradition and written law.Mark works very practically in expressing this notion which Luke steers more in the direction of spiritual and pastoral concerns.
Name: Alice
Reference: Mark 15:16-20
Quote: 16 And the soldiers led him away inside the palace (that is, the praetorium); and they called together the whole battalion. 17 And they clothed him in a purple cloak, and plaiting a crown of thorns they put it on him. 18 And they began to salute him, "Hail, King of the Jews!" 19 And they struck his head with a reed, and spat upon him, and they knelt down in homage to him. 20 And when they had mocked him, they stripped him of the purple cloak, and put his own clothes on him. And they led him out to crucify him.
Date: Wednesday, November 02, 2005
Time: 02:14:40 PM
I'm not quite sure why Mark and Matthew choose to use this passage and Luke didn't butI might wonder if Luke just felt it wasn't a necessary part of the story.
Name: Adam
Reference: MK 10, 1-12, Lk 17:18
Quote: Marriage and Divorce
Date: Wednesday, November 02, 2005
Time: 01:08:09 PM
Mark spends more time on Jesus' teachings on Marriage and Divorce. Luke ommits the line "and if she divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery." Luke only gives the law according to a man marrying and divorcing a woman. This was probably ommited because in the OT it is not given the feminine point of view.
Name: Adam
Reference: Mk 15:39
Quote: "Truly this man was the Son of God!"
Date: Wednesday, November 02, 2005
Time: 01:05:01 PM
Mark and Matthew, quote the centurion who was at the crucifixion of Jesus as proclaiming that Jesus was the Son of God. Luke however, quotes the centurion as stating Jesus was "truly innocent". This was probably a translation issue.
Name: Cathie
Reference: Mk 7:9-13
Quote: And he said to them, "You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God, in order to keep your tradition! For Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother'; and, 'He who speaks evil of father or mother, let him surely die'; but you say'If a man tells his father or his mother, What you would have gained from me is Corban'(that is, given to God) - then you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or mother, thus making void the worfd of God through your tradition which you hand on. And many such things you do.
Date: Wednesday, November 02, 2005
Time: 09:49:02 AM
I find this to be a strange and convoluted passage. Perhaps Luke doesn't include it because of that - an explanation that fails to clarify Jesus' message and so should be omitted.
Name: Cindy
Reference: Mark 9:43-48
Quote: better to cut off body part than go to hell
Date: Wednesday, November 02, 2005
Time: 09:00:07 AM
Both Mark and Matthew include this, but Luke omits it. Since Luke was so interested in getting down the facts, he may have thought this too spiritual to include, and afraid that people would take it literally. If he was a physician, it would've been bad for business.
Name: Sarah PL
Reference: Mark 3:19-21
Quote: . . . Then [Jesus] went home; and the crowd came together again, so that they could not even eat. When his family heard it, they went out to restrain him, for people were saying, “He has gone out of his mind.”
Date: Tuesday, November 01, 2005
Time: 10:34:18 PM
In this passage Mark points out that Jesus faced family opposition to his ministry. His family or at least some of them failed to comprehend what Jesus was trying to do. Mark’s portrait of Jesus as the teacher and worker of good works who is both conquering and suffering servant is highlighted when we realize that he was not understood by his own family. If Mark’s target audience are Roman Christians many of whom were slaves and servants the concept of a suffering servant would have worked for them. Luke has no counterpart for this passage. Luke, concerned with giving a precise and orderly account of the life of Christ, would not have wished to have the work, mission or mental health of Christ called into doubt by anyone – not even to show the degrees of his sufferings.
Name: SarahPL
Reference: Mark 3:19-21
Quote: 20Then Jesus entered a house, and again a crowd gathered, so that he and his disciples were not even able to eat. 21When his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, "He is out of his mind."
Date: Tuesday, November 01, 2005
Time: 10:24:06 PM
In this passage Mark points out that Jesus faced family opposition to his ministry. His family (or at least some of them) failed to comprehend what Jesus was trying to do. Mark’s portrait of Jesus as the teacher and worker of good works who is both conquering and suffering servant is highlighted when we realize that he was not understood by his own family. If Mark’s target audience are Roman Christians, many of whom were slaves and servants,the concept of a suffering servant would have worked for them. Luke has no counterpart story for this passage.
Name: Laura
Reference: Mark 10:32
Quote: And they were on the road, going up to Jerusalem, and Jesus was walking ahead of them; and they were amazed, and those who followed were afraid. And taking the twelve again, he began to tell them what was to happen to him....
Date: Tuesday, November 01, 2005
Time: 08:32:05 PM
Lukes corresponding passage begins simply with Jesus "taking the twelve aside" (18:31) and makes no mention of the, apparently, many others who were following Jesus along with the disciples. Jesus' preceding teaching of "How hard it will be for those who have riches to enter the kingdom of God!" and "many that are first will be last, and the last first" seems to have freaked out those who heard, for now they are "amazed" and "afraid." Maybe Luke does not wish to portray Jesus' followers as being afraid of his teachings.
Name: Zareen
Reference: Mark 3.13-19
Quote: And he went up on the mountain and called to him those whom he desired;they came to him
Date: Tuesday, November 01, 2005
Time: 07:40:29 PM
12 to be versus apostles,to preach versus apostles, Peter surnamamed not named, James surname Boangorian not the Zealot--These differences show Mark's meticulousness and desiring to be correct and intelligent vs somewhat scientific as Luke.
Name: Burt D Williams
Reference: Mk 10:1-9
Quote: 1He left that place and went to the region of Judea and beyond the Jordan. And crowds again gathered around him; and, as was his custom, he again taught them. 2Some Pharisees came, and to test him they asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?” 3He answered them, “What did Moses command you?” 4They said, “Moses allowed a man to write a certificate of dismissal and to divorce her.” 5But Jesus said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart he wrote this commandment for you. 6But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ 7‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, 8and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two, but one flesh. 9Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
Date: Tuesday, November 01, 2005
Time: 06:53:40 PM
This is followed by the command, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her; and if she divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery." (Mk 10-12). This is in Luke, but not the passage from verse 1-9. Partly, this may be due to an editorial choice in an unnecessary story to illustrate the command. It may also be that the author of luke is targeting a people who actually know the Hebrew Scriptures. For instance, we find places such as Luke 24:27 where the author simply states, "Then beginning with Moses and all the prophets, he interpreted to them the things about himself in all the scriptures." It seems as though the author assumes the readers would know what these teachings were.
Name: Barb Sagat
Reference: Mk 4:33-34, Mt 13:34
Quote: ...he did not speak everything to them without a parable, but privately to his own disciples...
Date: Tuesday, November 01, 2005
Time: 04:31:18 PM
Similiar passages exist in all 3 Gospels, but only Matn. and Mark repeat it here. Perhaps a sign of good editing by the author of Luke.
Name: TPB
Reference: Mk. 7:24-30
Quote: The Syro-Phoenician Woman
Date: Tuesday, November 01, 2005
Time: 10:45:07 AM
Since Luke's mission broadened Mark's and Matthew's to include the world (i.e. Paul's mission to Rome), he may have excluded this passage because of its anti-Gentile tone. It certainly offends me everytime I read it!
Name: Genise K
Reference: Mark 11:20-25
Quote: The Lesson from the Withered Fig Tree
Date: Tuesday, November 01, 2005
Time: 10:30:01 AM
Perhaps Luke edited this out because he felt he covered it adequately in other teachings, such as that found in Luke 6:17-49 (Sermon on the Mt.) and Luke 11:1-13 (teaching about prayer). It is possible that Lukes special source found some issue with its credibility. Also note that Peter is the one who pointed out the withered fig tree following Jesus' curse put on it the previous day. Jesus needed to emphasize that they too could be that tree if they lost their fruit (faith). Jesus was demonstrating the power of faith and how to reep the rewards of a good harvest (faithfulness).
Name: Mair
Reference: Mk14:7
Quote: For you always have the poor with you, and whenever you will you can do good to them; but you will not always have me.
Date: Tuesday, November 01, 2005
Time: 07:58:08 AM
This a pretty important heads up Jesus is giving- "remember I am going to die". It is included in the other gospels but not Lk. Clearly Lk has edited this to keep the focus on "the main point"for him here - Jesus - outcast-forgiveness -compassion.
Name: mair
Reference: Mk 14:7
Quote: For you always have the poor with you, and whenever you will, you can do good to them; but you will not always have me.
Date: Tuesday, November 01, 2005
Time: 07:35:31 AM
Name: Clare
Reference: Mk. 7: 14-15
Quote: “And he called the people to him again, and said to them, ‘Hear me, all of you, and understand: there is nothing outside a man which by going into him can defile him; but the things which come out of a man are what defile him.’”
Date: Monday, October 31, 2005
Time: 10:50:38 PM
Mark was addressing the Jewish requirements relating to washing and those things that could “defile” a person, here, defecation. While there is a related passage in Matthew about washing a cup (Mt. 23:25), there is no passage strictly on point in any of the other Gospels, including Luke. If Luke was aware of this passage he may have chosen not to use it because he was not particularly interested in focusing on this particular Jewish cleaning ritual as it had no long term significance to his story about Jesus, or possibly because he had no particular interest in taking on the subject of defecation.
Name: Dave
Reference: Mk 10:35-45
Quote: This passage is also found in Matthew (20:20-28) but not in Luke. It relates the request by James and John, the sons of Zebedee, to be seated at Jesus' right and left hands 'in his glory'. Jesus explains to them that they are welcomed into the Kingdom by virtue of their baptism and by the same cup from which he drinks. He states further that it is not his permission to grant, but rather that the seats they are requesting are 'for those for whom it has been prepared'.
Date: Monday, October 31, 2005
Time: 05:29:13 PM
CommentMy thought is that Luke does not wish to include this passage as it casts a further shadow on the disciples and illustrates their vanity and self-interest rather than clarifying their mission. This request prompts further conflict between all 12 as the others are upset by this request. A similar look at the disciples is also shared by Mt, Mk and Lk in regard to the disciples discussing who is the greatest among them. They are embarrassed when Jesus queries about their discussion. So, I think Luke was not interested in articulating another strike against the disciples. However, I believe that this inclusion just further shows the humanity and common experience of the 12.
DT: Luke has an interest in limiting the term apostle to the twelve. In Acts the author avoids calling Paul an apostle (but it happens once).
Name: Ezra
Reference: Mark 6:1-5
Quote: A Prophet without honor
Date: Monday, October 31, 2005
Time: 05:11:35 PM
In both Mark and Matthew the authority of Jesus is being questioned. For a long time Jesus was known as a son of a carpenter, his mother Mary and he had a number of brother who were know by their names in the community. And reading this information in Mark and Matthew, one can conclude that they both used the same source in order to come up with this story, probably Q source. Luke has edited this story and explained why Jesus was performing all these miracles. He developed his argument from the Hebrew Scriptures by quoting the Prophet Isaiah. If one can read the whole story in Luke, there is a sense that, Luke used a different source from both Mark and Matthew, and this source can probably be special Luke.
DT: A complicated analysis. But you demonstrate nicely that you are seeing the puzzle pieces to use.
Name: Gail
Reference: Mark 6:45-52
Quote: Jesus walks on the water, following the feeding of the five thousand
Date: Monday, October 31, 2005
Time: 09:38:40 AM
In both Matthew and Mark there are a long series of passages between the feeding of the five thousand and the transfiguration. This is not so in Luke. There is also another "feeding" miracle story. Most of these stories have to do with pushing the boundaries of Jewish law or confronting Jewish authorities, also some added miracle stories. This leads me to believe that the intended audiences for Mark and Matthew were stricter observers of Jewish legal traditions. They would also understand miracle stories to be placing Jesus in the line of the tradition of Jewish prophets.
Name: Pam L.
Reference: Mark 1:4-6
Quote: "John the baptizer appeared in the wilderness, preaching a baptism of repentance for the
forgiveness of sins. And there went out to him all the country of Judea, and all the people of Jerusalem; and they were baptized by him in the river Jordan, confessing their sins. Now John was clothed with camel's hair, and had a leather girdle around his waist, and ate locusts and wild honey."
Date: Sunday, October 30, 2005
Time: 09:40:48 AM
Luke omits the description of John the baptizer and what he is wearing as well as specifically where the crowds were coming from to get baptized. Instead Luke explains in great length (taking up "editing space") to preach about John's message of repentance and sin. Luke seems to want to emphasize the "preaching" aspect of this event and edit out some of the details that Mark had included. Perhaps Like was more of a preacher?
DT: Luke may have these additions in part from Q. Compare the passage with Matthew, which has parallels.
Name: Sarah Shepley
Reference: Mk13:24-27
Quote: The coming of the son of man-"But in these days, after that tribulation,............And then they will see the Son Of Man coming in the clouds....
Date: Saturday, October 29, 2005
Time: 09:09:18 PM
There is no corresponding passage in Lk. Only the "coming of the Kingdom" Lk 17:20. In Mark, This passage echoes a traditional portrayal of God's coming drawn from the OT prophets -a resolution of a historical crisis of sorts. Luke seems to imply that the Kingdom of God is within. "for, in fact, the kingdom of God is among you" Lk 17:21. A different locus.
Name: Eric G
Reference: Mk 11:12-18; Lk 19:45-48 (& Mt. 21:12-13, 18-19)
Quote: Mk 11:14 - He said to it, “May no one ever eat fruit from you again.” And his disciples heard it; v. 15b - ...and he overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who sold doves
Date: Saturday, October 29, 2005
Time: 04:58:01 PM
Mk places the cursing of the fig tree and clearing of the temple stories back to back, presumably for effect to show Jesus' reaction (to people failing to heed his message?). Though in opposite order, Mt includes both stories (though slightly edited). Lk does not tell the fig tree story and leaves out the part of Jesus flipping over tables in the temple story.
Mk shows Jesus as a rebel - one who challenges the status quo; an emotional Jesus who loses his temper (kind of like Peter...). Lk is more reserved; a poet, an educator, a doctor, a chronicler of the life and times of Jesus who perhaps feels that stories of emotional outbursts detract from Jesus' majesty, so they are left out. Thoughts??
Name: Amy
Reference: Mark 8:22-26
Quote: The healing of the blind man.
Date: Saturday, October 29, 2005
Time: 03:01:00 PM
Luke may not have included this because it focuses on healing a specific physical problem rather than addressing the overall inadequacy of a society that rejects and excludes people who are physically abnormal.
Name: Audrey
Reference: Mark 13:21-23
Quote: And then if someone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Anointed,’ or ‘Look, there he is!’ don’t count on it! After all, counterfeit messiahs and phony prophets will show up, and they will provide portents and miracles so as to delude, if possible, even the chosen people. But you be on your guard! Notice how I always warn you about these things in advance.
Date: Saturday, October 29, 2005
Time: 01:58:04 PM
Mark may have been writing at a more turbulent time in history then Luke.
Name: Dina Lattanzi
Reference: Mk 14:37-42
Quote: ...and he said to Peter "Simon, are you asleep?....the spirit is indeed willing, but the flesh is weak."
And again he went away and prayed, saying the same words. And again he came and found them sleeping, for their eyes were very heavy; and they did not know what to answer him. And he came the third time, and said to them, "Are you still sleeping and taking your rest? It is enough; the hour has come; the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners. Rise, let us be going; see, my betrayer is at hand."
Date: Saturday, October 29, 2005
Time: 01:53:51 PM
Mark's inclusion of this information that Luke omits points to the fact that Peter is directly addressed (as in Mt, who used Mk), revealing that perhaps Peter's perspective is the one on which Mark is relying. Also, Mark's portrayal of the disciples as having fallen asleep three times against the wishes of Jesus not only foreshadows Peter's three denials of Jesus (which Mk, using Peter's perspective, would have logically included) but also it is not particularly flattering; Luke may have not wished to highlight what is clearly a failure of the disciples to do the will of Jesus.
Name: barbara anne
Reference: Mark 8:1-10
Quote: The whole miracle about feeding four thousand people with 7 loaves of bread and a few small fish
Date: Friday, October 28, 2005
Time: 06:16:33 PM
CommentI don't really know enough about Luke to know why he would omit such a wonderful story. Does he not want to admit that there were great hungry crowds? He doesn't like that story, but why? He doesn't believe it? Unlikely....
DT: The feeding of the 4000 and the 5000 (cf. Luke 9) are so similar that he might just have left it out to save some space. Space consciousness is one of the common characteristics of a good editor.
Name: Rosemary
Reference: Mk 8: 33
Quote: "But turning and looking at his disciples, he rebuked Peter and said, 'Get behind me Satan'."
Date: Thursday, October 27, 2005
Time: 09:25:31 PM
Luke omits the objection and rebuke of Peter so that the following sayings appear less as a correction than as a logical development of Jesus' self-designation as a suffering Son of Man.
Name: Judy Clark
Reference: Mark 9:28-29
Quote: And when he had entered the house, his disciples asked him privately, "Why could we not cast it out?" And he said to them, "This kind cannot be driven out by anything but prayer."
Date: Thursday, October 27, 2005
Time: 01:57:40 PM
Luke is more interested in salvation and the relationship of the reader to Jesus, so he may have considered this as unimportant in the reader's salvation and relationship with Jesus.
Name: Poppy Arford
Reference: Mk 14:51-52
Quote: And a young man was following him, wearing a shroud over his naked body, and they grab him. But he dropped the shroud and ran away naked.
Date: Thursday, October 27, 2005
Time: 11:45:04 AM
This verse is found only in Mark. My best guess is that this is part of the "secret Mark" material which was recently uncovered in a correspondence of Clement of Alexandria. Clement was a late second century Christian theologian. Possible explanations for it's absence in the Luke gospel are that Luke may not have known of this "secret" material or that he may have not chosen to include it as it seemed too "spiritual" for his liking. Either way it is not found in Luke and it is in Mark.
Name: Terah Ames
Reference: Mark 4:26-29
Quote: Parable of the Growing Seed.."And he said, "The kingdom of God is as if a man should scatter seed upon the ground....
Date: Thursday, October 27, 2005
Time: 10:21:52 AM
Luke does not include this passage, which is sometimes referred to as the Parable of the Seed Growing Secretly. In my opinion, the author of Mark likes to really get readers thinking and asking questions. Luke is more about the story.
Name: Doug
Reference: Mark 7:31
Quote: Then he returned from the region of Tyre, and went through Sidon to the Sea of Galilee, through the region of the Decapolis.
Date: Thursday, October 27, 2005
Time: 08:31:51 AM
CommentI believe this is an example of Mark being dysfunctional when it comes to directions and geography. Luke would have corrected the error through editing.
DT: Study the map and locate the towns.